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Michael Magoon's avatar

Great work. I am curious: can you can find evidence of any decommissioned coal plants in Australia that were completely replaced by electricity generated solely by solar + wind + batteries?

A few months ago I threat out this challenge, and so far no one has been able to find one example:

https://frompovertytoprogress.substack.com/p/prove-that-solarwind-replaces-fossil

I also recently wrote another article debunking some cases reported in the media:

https://frompovertytoprogress.substack.com/p/more-evidence-that-solar-wind-cannot

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Peter Farley's avatar

You seem to specialise in Straw man arguments.

It would be really good if you had half an idea what is happening in Australia before going off on frolics like this.

a) Australia already uses twice as much electricity per person as France/Italy/Spain even though it is less industrialised. The only reason electricity demand in Australia will double is that it is displacing fossil fuels in transport and heating. With the current mix that would mean that if renewable output remains the same we would need 360 TWh/y from fossil fuels/nuclear, where is that in your calculations

b) Australia isn't all in on batteries. As wind and solar increases, hydro increasingly becomes a gap filler, so even in a drought year, existing hydro will be able to supply 7-8 GW/2,000 GWh in a bad wind+solar week. In addition there is 2.2 GW/360 GWh of pumped hydro under construction and 10 GW/200 GWh undergoing feasibility as well as about 1-2 GW of potential capacity enhancement at existing hydro such as Shoalhaven, Tarraleah, Hume, Dartmouth etc. Australia will probably have 20-25 GW/60-100 GWh of battery storage by 2035, trivial compared to hydro/pumped hydro, let alone thermal storage, biofuels etc.

c) How is curtailment an issue. Every grid in the world curtails coal, gas and even nuclear. Way back in 2008 Australia's gas plants ran at less than 10% capacity. Peak utilisation of Germany's coal plants was 62%. France has 61 GW of nuclear of which about 55 GW is operational. Output has been as low as 21 GW this year. The US has 720 GW of thermal plants that average 40% CF

Curtailment is a far less important issue for wind and solar than for coal and gas.

i) The non fuel costs per day/MW of coal capacity are about double those of wind, gas almost double those of solar so the opportunity cost of operating below capacity is higher for thermal plants than wind and solar.

ii) If someone has an application for power that is only economical at $10-20/MWh, wind and solar can make a contribution to overheads at that price, coal and gas can't so they earn no revenue. If the opportunity is only there for 20-30 minutes even at A$60 wind and solar can jump in coal and gas can't

iii) in short periods of low demand nuclear, coal and to a lesser extent, gas plants have to pay customers to take their power, wind and solar plants just shut down, because they can ramp back up in seconds and they don't suffer from thermal fatigue

c) Wind and solar plants can actually earn FCAS revenue when there is excess generation even if they are stopped or running below their available output, because they can inject power almost instantly or their inverters can inject VARs even if the plant is not supplying power. Coal and gas plants have to burn fuel to earn that revenue.

In summary, not a pass mark I am afraid

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